1 00:00:06,954 --> 00:00:07,794 And I believe we are live. Hi, Daniel, how are you doing? I'm 2 00:00:10,616 --> 00:00:11,436 doing great. It's cold outside, but it's nice in here, yeah. 3 00:00:17,210 --> 00:00:19,952 I can assure you it's very cold in my own place as well. We do 4 00:00:20,713 --> 00:00:27,678 EmacsConf always in December and that's always when it's 5 00:00:20,713 --> 00:00:27,678 particularly cold where I live and I assume where you live as 6 00:00:20,713 --> 00:00:27,678 well. So, don't worry, we'll try to keep you warm with 7 00:00:28,219 --> 00:00:31,802 interesting questions. But first, thank you for taking the 8 00:00:32,202 --> 00:00:38,847 time out of your busy high school life to make a presentation 9 00:00:32,202 --> 00:00:38,847 about Emacs. Do you have any thoughts about the process of 10 00:00:38,867 --> 00:00:43,031 recording something for a conference? Because I assume 11 00:00:43,131 --> 00:00:45,793 it's one of the first ones you're ever doing. 12 00:00:53,922 --> 00:00:57,966 I think it was not as difficult as I thought it would be. I just 13 00:00:59,728 --> 00:01:05,595 recorded in my basement and prepared some notes 14 00:00:59,728 --> 00:01:05,595 beforehand. I think it was definitely helpful to have Emacs 15 00:01:06,476 --> 00:01:12,282 as a tool for that, because I made my presentation with 16 00:01:06,476 --> 00:01:12,282 Beamer. Right. I mean, it's amazing to see so many of the 17 00:01:16,721 --> 00:01:23,285 tools because, you know, you've shown Emacs, but you've 18 00:01:16,721 --> 00:01:23,285 shown Beamer. You've shown tools that are about twice as old 19 00:01:23,665 --> 00:01:30,088 as you are yourself, which is amazing when you think about 20 00:01:23,665 --> 00:01:30,088 it. But I think many people in the audience can actually 21 00:01:30,569 --> 00:01:36,312 relate to your discovery of those tools because we were 22 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 pretty much, I mean a lot of us were your age when we started 23 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 playing with those tools so it's like there's a little bit of 24 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 nostalgia that we feel looking at your presentation 25 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 because we are, we can see the excitement behind everything 26 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 you've touched and that's great for us because it brings us 27 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 back maybe 10 or 20 years in the past and for others perhaps 30 28 00:01:36,952 --> 00:01:57,949 or 40 years so that's kind of amazing. 29 00:02:01,864 --> 00:02:03,725 How about we start taking some questions? So, just for 30 00:02:03,745 --> 00:02:12,050 timekeeping, we have until 20 of the current hours, which is 31 00:02:03,745 --> 00:02:12,050 8 minutes and 30 seconds to cover as many questions as 32 00:02:03,745 --> 00:02:12,050 possible. Now, if we might take the first one. So, Corbyn, 33 00:02:15,692 --> 00:02:18,333 can you scroll down to the questions? Yes. I'll be reading 34 00:02:19,814 --> 00:02:23,096 you the questions just to make it a little easier for you, 35 00:02:19,814 --> 00:02:23,096 Daniel, to answer them. I use Orgrim for notes and find it 36 00:02:24,356 --> 00:02:26,617 very useful. Have you considered it? Uh, yeah, that's 37 00:02:29,813 --> 00:02:32,734 actually where I started out for taking notes. Um, that, 38 00:02:33,314 --> 00:02:41,497 that I moved to Ditto because I didn't use all of its 39 00:02:33,314 --> 00:02:41,497 features, um, for, or grow my men. 40 00:02:44,457 --> 00:02:47,998 Uh, I also didn't, didn't really like the dependency on an 41 00:02:44,457 --> 00:02:47,998 external database. Uh, it just like took a while for, um, 42 00:02:48,419 --> 00:02:56,321 stuff to index if I moved it between like, uh, using sync 43 00:02:48,419 --> 00:02:56,321 thing. laptop and my desktop. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely 44 00:03:03,047 --> 00:03:10,509 something, I mean, I co-maintain Orgrim, so I'm fully aware 45 00:03:03,047 --> 00:03:10,509 of this problem with it. And yeah, SyncThink is not great to 46 00:03:10,869 --> 00:03:14,509 sync a database, a SQLite database that we use. And, I mean, 47 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:19,090 whichever solution you use, whatever works for you is good. 48 00:03:19,450 --> 00:03:27,132 Orgrim was kind of thought in terms of scalability for 49 00:03:19,450 --> 00:03:27,132 people who had, you know, thousands of notes with thousands 50 00:03:19,450 --> 00:03:27,132 of links inside of them. so perhaps it's not adapted to your 51 00:03:27,612 --> 00:03:35,118 note-taking style right now, but perhaps it's something to 52 00:03:27,612 --> 00:03:35,118 keep in mind, you know, it's many tools and you use them when 53 00:03:27,612 --> 00:03:35,118 you need to. Colin, if we can switch the questions, I'm 54 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,643 switching to the second one. Do you use the getting things 55 00:03:41,163 --> 00:03:44,205 done methodology as part of your org workflow? So there's an 56 00:03:46,287 --> 00:03:48,289 interesting thing about that. I started with org first and 57 00:03:48,489 --> 00:03:54,774 then I heard about getting things done, so I didn't exactly 58 00:03:56,394 --> 00:03:59,375 design my workflow with that in mind, but I sort of. 59 00:04:02,336 --> 00:04:10,019 Like reinvented it, I would say, not really, but I do a lot of 60 00:04:02,336 --> 00:04:10,019 the similar things, but I don't have the different to do 61 00:04:02,336 --> 00:04:10,019 states like. 62 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:20,363 I don't know an example because I didn't really look into it 63 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:20,363 that much, but it would be like next isn't the next thing 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:20,363 you're going to do. But I don't think I 65 00:04:32,403 --> 00:04:37,987 where I just write what I need to do and then schedule it and 66 00:04:32,403 --> 00:04:37,987 then look at my agenda for the next thing. Yeah, I mean, part 67 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:53,778 of the beauty of using Emacs, Org Mode or using a methodology 68 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:53,778 like Getting Things Done is that I think you need to find room 69 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:53,778 in the method or the tool for you to organically do what you 70 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:53,778 want. And it's okay to not do everything in a Getting Things 71 00:04:54,078 --> 00:04:58,141 Done methodology. Like, I know a lot of people take issue 72 00:04:58,621 --> 00:05:05,584 with the Tickler file, where you're supposed to put stuff to 73 00:04:58,621 --> 00:05:05,584 review in the future. Like, for instance, if you don't want 74 00:05:06,004 --> 00:05:14,908 to work on this particular topic right now in your life, you 75 00:05:06,004 --> 00:05:14,908 decide, oh, I'd like to revisit this topic maybe in six 76 00:05:06,004 --> 00:05:14,908 months. And then you have this Tickler file, which has 77 00:05:15,228 --> 00:05:19,770 entries and folders for each month of the year. And when six 78 00:05:21,551 --> 00:05:28,497 months comes and you find yourself at the beginning of the 79 00:05:21,551 --> 00:05:28,497 next month, you open the file and you see, oh there's the task 80 00:05:21,551 --> 00:05:28,497 I left off for later. A lot of people don't like to do it this 81 00:05:28,817 --> 00:05:36,244 way, some people really like it, but part of the beauty of 82 00:05:28,817 --> 00:05:36,244 having tools which are very modular like Emacs and Org Mode 83 00:05:36,764 --> 00:05:42,131 allows you to have, well, you just adjust the method for 84 00:05:36,764 --> 00:05:42,131 something that works. And there's something to be garnered 85 00:05:42,532 --> 00:05:55,068 as well for applying these lessons to how you organize your 86 00:05:42,532 --> 00:05:55,068 life, not merely in front of a computer, but also how you 87 00:05:42,532 --> 00:05:55,068 manage your tasks elsewhere at school, iSchool or 88 00:05:42,532 --> 00:05:55,068 elsewhere. 89 00:05:58,610 --> 00:06:00,531 All right, moving to the next question. OrgSC and OrgDrill 90 00:06:01,011 --> 00:06:05,594 are Emacs org-mode-centric flashcard solutions. Have you 91 00:06:06,014 --> 00:06:06,855 looked into them? I think I looked into OrgDrill, but I 92 00:06:08,916 --> 00:06:23,204 wanted to use OrgKey because of... I wanted to use it on my 93 00:06:08,916 --> 00:06:23,204 phone, but then I realized I had to pay for the app, and then I 94 00:06:08,916 --> 00:06:23,204 didn't want to use it on my phone anymore. 95 00:06:26,138 --> 00:06:32,804 but it's just something that I used before without work mode 96 00:06:26,138 --> 00:06:32,804 for a little bit. And then I liked it, 97 00:06:32,864 --> 00:06:42,412 but yeah, it works pretty well with work mode. So I didn't 98 00:06:42,452 --> 00:06:52,180 find a reason to switch to one of those because like I might be 99 00:06:42,452 --> 00:06:52,180 not at a computer one day and have to learn something. Yeah, 100 00:06:53,311 --> 00:06:56,414 that's something that you call premature optimization. 101 00:06:56,494 --> 00:07:00,957 And if you continue as a software engineer at university, 102 00:06:56,494 --> 00:07:00,957 you'll get to hear plenty of this. But yes, Anki is also a tool 103 00:07:01,277 --> 00:07:09,544 that I've used a whole lot in my learning journeys, be it 104 00:07:01,277 --> 00:07:09,544 about languages, be it about literature, be it about 105 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:21,368 whatever really, and it's a very good tool and I recommend 106 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:21,368 people to look into it, especially since they've released a 107 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:21,368 new algorithm to manage learning a little differently than 108 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:21,368 the old one. If you're familiar with SuperMemo, I really 109 00:07:21,508 --> 00:07:27,252 invite you to look into the advancement in Enki in recent 110 00:07:21,508 --> 00:07:27,252 years. Moving to another question, what do other students 111 00:07:28,733 --> 00:07:34,578 think about your approach and what are they doing instead, 112 00:07:28,733 --> 00:07:34,578 if anything? And your teachers, what do they think? So for 113 00:07:38,939 --> 00:08:03,131 other students they usually are just confused about what's 114 00:07:38,939 --> 00:08:03,131 going on when I show my computer because they know that I use 115 00:07:38,939 --> 00:08:03,131 Linux but they don't know what it is so they're just assuming 116 00:07:38,939 --> 00:08:03,131 everything on my computer is I'm either hacking or like 117 00:07:38,939 --> 00:08:03,131 doing some Linux thing and 118 00:07:38,939 --> 00:08:03,131 I don't really bother to explain it to them so that's kind 119 00:08:11,601 --> 00:08:13,562 But for I love it. See my see my prior videos. That's that's 120 00:08:16,483 --> 00:08:17,503 wonderful. Pardon me. Pardon me for breaking in, Daniel. 121 00:08:19,604 --> 00:08:22,985 But I just since I have, I want to say wonderful 122 00:08:19,604 --> 00:08:22,985 presentation. I love your spirit, your tone and great 123 00:08:23,105 --> 00:08:28,227 thought there. 124 00:08:29,667 --> 00:08:31,188 For my teachers, I think. 125 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:43,843 because if I write an essay or something, I usually paste it 126 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:43,843 in Google Docs. But recently, I got more confident, which is 127 00:08:43,923 --> 00:08:47,585 export to LaTeX. And I did that for my physics labs. And my 128 00:08:53,489 --> 00:08:56,931 teacher was pretty satisfied with the results for the math 129 00:08:53,489 --> 00:08:56,931 formatting. So I think they don't really have a problem with 130 00:08:58,192 --> 00:09:06,538 it, where it's actually more convenient, maybe. 131 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:25,928 That's really great to hear and if you continue at 132 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:25,928 university, which I'm almost sure that you will, your 133 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:25,928 professors, you'll be pretty much using the same tools as 134 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:25,928 they are, so you'll find yourself in a like-minded crowd of 135 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:25,928 people once you get to university. We are a little short on 136 00:09:26,828 --> 00:09:31,232 time because we need to move to the next talk in about one 137 00:09:26,828 --> 00:09:31,232 minute. There are still some questions and Daniel, I would 138 00:09:32,753 --> 00:09:42,161 invite you to stay and maybe answer them in a room so that we 139 00:09:32,753 --> 00:09:42,161 can gather as many of your answers as possible. But before we 140 00:09:42,681 --> 00:09:46,885 leave, I just want to give you the opportunity, if you have 141 00:09:42,681 --> 00:09:46,885 any last words, to share them with the crowd. 142 00:09:50,287 --> 00:09:54,411 Well, for the students who may be watching this, I hope that 143 00:09:50,287 --> 00:09:54,411 you give Emacs a try. And good luck if you decide to use 144 00:09:55,786 --> 00:10:00,250 something else because it's probably won't be as great. 145 00:10:03,951 --> 00:10:08,233 It's very good to be so young and to already be convinced that 146 00:10:03,951 --> 00:10:08,233 Emacs is the best thing. For some of us, it took us many 147 00:10:08,293 --> 00:10:14,216 decades to reach this conclusion, and I'm so happy to see 148 00:10:08,293 --> 00:10:14,216 young people. I used to be a teacher, by the way, so I used to 149 00:10:14,316 --> 00:10:27,822 teach people your age, but I'm so happy to see people your age 150 00:10:14,316 --> 00:10:27,822 interested in Emacs because it makes me hopeful that in the 151 00:10:14,316 --> 00:10:27,822 future we'll have people carrying the flame and standing on 152 00:10:14,316 --> 00:10:27,822 the shoulders of current people. So thank you so much, 153 00:10:29,282 --> 00:10:30,242 Daniel. We'll be seeing you soon. We wish you good luck with 154 00:10:31,803 --> 00:10:33,283 your studies. And for EmacsConf, we'll be moving to the next 155 00:10:33,843 --> 00:10:37,264 talk in five seconds. See you soon. And I want to reassure 156 00:10:38,844 --> 00:10:44,225 you, we'll post all the Q&A info when we do post this video. 157 00:10:45,946 --> 00:10:46,126 Yes. So Daniel, as I said, if you want to stick around a little 158 00:10:46,566 --> 00:10:51,487 more with Corwin to answer the questions, that's all fine. 159 00:10:51,847 --> 00:10:53,848 I'll be moving to the next room to get ready for the next 160 00:10:51,847 --> 00:10:53,848 talks. So thank you, Daniel. And I'll see you later. 161 00:11:01,003 --> 00:11:02,084 All right, the cops are gone. Wait, no, I'm just kidding. No, 162 00:11:05,287 --> 00:11:11,632 but if you'd like to walk through a few more of these 163 00:11:05,287 --> 00:11:11,632 questions, I'd be happy to record that. You're not 164 00:11:11,692 --> 00:11:13,074 obligated to do that. You could also, the pad's there. You 165 00:11:14,515 --> 00:11:17,117 could just type out your answers or whatever you prefer to 166 00:11:14,515 --> 00:11:17,117 do. I guess I can answer them still. Cool. So we're here, what 167 00:11:24,574 --> 00:11:29,276 was your biggest source of frustration, friction, 168 00:11:24,574 --> 00:11:29,276 confusion when getting started? 169 00:11:32,397 --> 00:11:33,798 I honestly don't really remember. It 170 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:42,201 somehow just clicked one day and I figured it out. 171 00:11:45,322 --> 00:11:47,963 All right, it takes us pretty naturally to the next one. How 172 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:49,944 did you come across Emacs? What got you into it? I could ask 173 00:11:52,965 --> 00:11:54,326 this question quite 174 00:11:59,002 --> 00:12:12,768 similar to how I stumbled into Linux, where I was... I heard 175 00:11:59,002 --> 00:12:12,768 of it before, but I saw screenshots of it or something on 176 00:11:59,002 --> 00:12:12,768 Reddit, and I was like, oh, that looks pretty cool, maybe 177 00:11:59,002 --> 00:12:12,768 I'll look into that. And then on YouTube, I would see videos 178 00:12:14,649 --> 00:12:22,953 about Doom Emacs, and then the Doomcasts video, I think 179 00:12:14,649 --> 00:12:22,953 that's what really got me into it. 180 00:12:37,296 --> 00:12:38,977 Okay, I did my best to capture that. So what's the situation 181 00:12:40,078 --> 00:12:45,021 with respect to the mobile use, if that's applicable? And 182 00:12:46,082 --> 00:12:50,725 Orgly is, sorry, was it not Doomcast? Is it System Crafter? 183 00:12:51,986 --> 00:12:53,707 Sorry if I botched the note. Oh yeah, System Crafters was 184 00:12:56,029 --> 00:13:02,173 also one of the things I used for getting into Emacs from 185 00:12:56,029 --> 00:13:02,173 scratch. I'm sorry if my dog is barking. 186 00:13:11,513 --> 00:13:17,874 the, I'm not sure how to pronounce his name, but Protositos, 187 00:13:11,513 --> 00:13:17,874 I think that's how you say it. I always say Prot just to get me 188 00:13:18,534 --> 00:13:21,895 out of that problem for what it's worth. I'm not sure that I 189 00:13:22,315 --> 00:13:24,096 can say it properly either. Yeah, his videos were really 190 00:13:24,316 --> 00:13:38,078 great for getting started with each, each individual 191 00:13:24,316 --> 00:13:38,078 component of something like there's entire videos just 192 00:13:24,316 --> 00:13:38,078 about completion and about a tool called Embark. And like, I 193 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:41,459 would just watch those videos while 194 00:13:44,707 --> 00:13:46,389 Like I would, I would learn a lot from that. 195 00:13:54,317 --> 00:13:54,898 Awesome. I love it. Um, what about, uh, the, the mobile, uh, 196 00:13:56,139 --> 00:14:01,705 sorry, did I get that question out there already? Oh, no. Uh, 197 00:14:19,964 --> 00:14:26,626 But for org files, I couldn't really get it to sync over 198 00:14:19,964 --> 00:14:26,626 without using a paid app. And I didn't really look into it 199 00:14:26,906 --> 00:14:31,267 that much because I have a computer with me almost all the 200 00:14:26,906 --> 00:14:31,267 time. 201 00:14:36,328 --> 00:14:37,769 Usually I carry around a notebook. And if I really need to 202 00:14:38,509 --> 00:14:42,770 know something or remember it for later, I just write it 203 00:14:38,509 --> 00:14:42,770 down. 204 00:14:53,407 --> 00:15:10,840 I've seen people get started with e-ink tablets, and they 205 00:14:53,407 --> 00:15:10,840 sync it with SyncThink because it's Android, but I don't use 206 00:14:53,407 --> 00:15:10,840 that, so I can't really attest to how good it is. 207 00:15:22,334 --> 00:15:26,998 So has using Emacs led you to an expanded interest in 208 00:15:22,334 --> 00:15:26,998 programming and computer science? Sorry if I could have got 209 00:15:27,939 --> 00:15:30,321 that out of the presentation. I think Emacs is what got me 210 00:15:31,782 --> 00:15:35,045 started with the Lisp specifically. 211 00:15:38,267 --> 00:15:50,678 Otherwise, I probably would have not really looked into it 212 00:15:38,267 --> 00:15:50,678 that much other than like maybe dabbling in Scheme 213 00:15:38,267 --> 00:15:50,678 from the Structures and Interpretations of Computer 214 00:15:38,267 --> 00:15:50,678 Programs book. But I probably wouldn't have seen that if I 215 00:15:51,462 --> 00:15:55,245 hadn't discovered a max either so. 216 00:16:40,672 --> 00:16:48,819 So maybe we'd jump from there, right, to, you mentioned 217 00:16:40,672 --> 00:16:48,819 exporting notes, essays, and so on, handing them on to other 218 00:16:40,672 --> 00:16:48,819 people. How does interaction with others work in technical 219 00:16:49,099 --> 00:16:53,823 terms? We mostly find workflows centered around like 220 00:16:55,144 --> 00:16:59,908 Microsoft products, and that makes sense to me. I have a day 221 00:17:00,028 --> 00:17:06,013 job where I have to work with a bunch of Microsoft products, 222 00:17:00,028 --> 00:17:06,013 and I know the workflows for that. So how do you manage your 223 00:17:06,773 --> 00:17:09,736 kind of EMAX-y you know, workflows, um, you know, in terms of 224 00:17:11,502 --> 00:17:15,365 sharing with people. Yeah. So for sharing with like my 225 00:17:17,307 --> 00:17:23,152 teachers or something, I would, we use like Google at our 226 00:17:17,307 --> 00:17:23,152 school. So for, I'm very fortunate that I don't have to deal 227 00:17:23,192 --> 00:17:33,060 with Microsoft other than with a very niche situations in 228 00:17:23,192 --> 00:17:33,060 which I can just use LibreOffice and then convert to Doc X or 229 00:17:23,192 --> 00:17:33,060 something. I heard that chef. That's, that's how all my 230 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:40,544 vendors, uh, my vendors all roll their eyes when they were, 231 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:40,544 Oh, you're a Microsoft shop. Yep. Heard. Then they're all 232 00:17:42,886 --> 00:17:45,147 Google shops to an education. Great point. 233 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:06,154 it for later if I wanted to look at it. But for that, I don't 234 00:18:08,456 --> 00:18:12,100 really have too much problems. Hopefully, I will find a way 235 00:18:12,401 --> 00:18:16,365 to figure it out when I get into university. 236 00:18:21,591 --> 00:18:21,871 Awesome. Okay, well, I know we did it once already, but since 237 00:18:23,906 --> 00:18:33,393 this will be the end of the video, let me just open the floor 238 00:18:23,906 --> 00:18:33,393 one more time for parting thoughts. 239 00:18:37,795 --> 00:18:39,116 I'm not sure that I have any. I mean, you said it pretty well, 240 00:18:40,277 --> 00:18:41,718 right? I hope my peers see this. I hope they realize other 241 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:50,584 tools are kind of inferior from a get things done 242 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:50,584 standpoint. Sol, your talk? heard that message in this Q&A. 243 00:18:55,453 --> 00:18:56,413 I think you did a great job. You don't have to say more, but 244 00:18:56,714 --> 00:18:59,295 just offering you the chance. Thank you. Well, thank you, 245 00:19:02,836 --> 00:19:03,717 Daniel. And thanks to everybody watching this video during 246 00:19:03,917 --> 00:19:09,419 the conference or after it. And appreciate and look forward 247 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:14,061 to your talks in the future, Daniel. Thank you.